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Minister Karl J Jung God Save Me Foundation

Trust GOD

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Feb 092018
 
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Man, and his churches have taken the Holy Word, the One Gospel of Jesus Christ and changed it in their wickedness and rebellion into hundreds upon hundreds of differing gospels and doctrines and in these last days even preach another jesus alltogether.

It is all foretold perfectly in scripture, even that satan takes rulership in each and every church of the world, and that is completed. Inasmuch as no one who remains in religions and churches will come to salvation, they will perish forever.

We are to trust the bible alone and turn to Him as Lord and saviour and pray for mercy and salvation, and then it May come.

Minister Karl Shalom.

The Saturday Sabbath of the old testament and the new Sabbath of the new testament, a biblical understanding

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Jun 232017
 

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The Saturday Sabbath of the old testament and the new Sabbath of the new testament, biblical understanding

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 Religiosity by man dictated from early on, to comply with God’s law to observe the Sabbath, as  is commanded by God. In many churches they try set themselves apart by adhering to their understanding and doctrines, however in truth they all fall short of scriptural truth and obedience, and in fact satan uses this to divide many, which over the years created many millions religious Christian followers and very few true believers. In fact even many church leaders even claim that their doctrines sets them apart and they are following the ‘true’ path or paths which led to many sects, thus confusion and great deception.
When Jesus walked on earth, Him being God, perfectly knew He would issue, ordain rather, in, a church age, which started in AD33 and ended about 40 years ago. This church age would establish churches whose main task was to bring the Gospel into all the world. Sadly in this time we have seen great division, many killed for their ‘faiths’ even and establishment of denominations and many differing gospels, unlike the one Gospel of Jesus Christ.
So when is the new testament Sabbath ? commanded to be observed until the end of time, in fact even spoken to
and referred to specifically in an elaborated command as one of the 10 commandments. We all understand the old testament Sabbath, carefully observed on the 7th day, the Saturday, specifically as the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

Jesus, who is God, changed the Saturday Sabbath to the sunday Sabbath, this occurred when He said ‘It is done’, which heralded His divorce from national Israel, which we know for the ‘curtain of the temple was torn’ as we read this in verses in mark and luke. As prophesied He spent 3 days and nights in the ‘heart of the earth’ and obeying His own law observed the last old Sabbath, and rose on the 1st day which is sunday.
This is where He ushered in the new Sabbath days to be observed, however the bible translators made great error, for their lack of understanding and translated the bibles with their ‘own understandings’ from the original greek tongue. GOD teaches the understanding student to study the original words which come by Him. In fact this truth so few comprehend or understand is so fundamental to the sanction which He gave the churches during the past church age, that it is repeated even, in order to establish absolute certainty and foundation.
Go and read and study all the accounts when mary went to the tomb of the Lord. Jesus, even introduces the new Sabbath, by telling us beforehand the following; that the Sabbath was established for man and that He himself is Lord of the Sabbath also, as we read that in Matt 12v8.
To prove this absolute perfect truth, study all the related verses in matthew, mark, luke and john.
I quote one of the related verses, to study diligently, as is commanded, which says this:
KJV  Mat 28:1  “In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.”
However the translators incorrectly translated the verse(s), for as we read, I translate from the original greek tongue to English, as in a literal translation, and this is where the TRUTH lies.
Mat 28:1 actually says this “But late in the Sabbaths, at the dawning into the first of the Sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene and the other Mary came to gaze upon the grave”
READ and STUDY carefully the WORDS which came by the mouth of GOD, ‘late in the Sabbaths’ (the old Sabbaths) at the ‘dawning into the FIRST if the SABBATHS’  which PROVE perfectly that Jesus who is GOD, established the Sunday as the NEW SABBATH and this is perfect TRUTH.
I hope this helps those who seek biblical truth, for it cometh by Him alone, In Christ our beloved Lord and Savior.
Carefully also understand the added emphasis God made to keep the Sabbath AND ‘to keep it Holy’ for the new testament Sabbath to be understood to observed the entire DAY during the past church age, and not merely during ‘church hours’, and then thereafter go on as if it where a normal day…..

This is a brief summation, and do not hesitate to ask any questions.

Shalom
Minister Karl

Tithing today, a blessing or unbiblical?

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Dec 062016
 
The so called new testament tithing is part of the ‘prosperity gospel’; be not deceived brethren and sisters. Most churches run nowadays just like any other business, it is easy money, to deceive the gullible and fleece the poor; this comes by churches preaching ‘tithing’ which is wickedness.
Tithing was ordained by GOD for the levites who where chosen as priests, if any priest did a speck of work, he would die instantly on the spot, so it was ordained, The temple is no longer, it became as ended when the Lord was crucified.
During the church age fromAD33 until it ended 40 years ago, God esatblished in some verses where the disciples speak on monies collected and the responsibilities by the church elders. In the past long gone, the churches used to account for their money and how it was spent, to the very cent, The pastors had no control, just oversight, nowadays it is their money. It has nothing to do with GOD.
GOD has brought judgement on the churches, all churches.
Those days are long gone, not only is the Gospel of Jesus Christ no longer taught in churches, and satan has taken rulership, the pastors as church leaders seek power,fame and money.
Those who tithe in churches, in reality, they FEED the beast power, GOD does NOT allow ignorance, which He winked at in the past. GOD is no longer in the churches, in fact he commands the believers ‘come out of her’ and ‘run into the mountains; but over 2 billion people obey not the Word of God.
This is serious, you see the abuse in all teh churches, their leaders and their preaching against the Holy Word of God, in disobedience and lead many with their deception to HELL. God even foretells that none of them will repent of what they do, and that they are ‘accursed’ by HIM.
I teach this not lightly, nor cerefully, TRUTH is truth, it can never be a lie. Those who know me, know I minister biblical truth, I will never compromise nor sugarcoat the true Gospel, this is what I AM called to do, not for me but to the many deceived, who I love just as GOd does, and for that I give His Word in truth.
Many may disgree, even refuse to TEST every word I declare against scripture, and some do come hating me and the words I speak in Christ.
These things are about death or LIFE, many can choose to repent, turn to Jesus Christ for mercy and salvation, GOD will look into each one’s hearts, and be not like LOT’s wife who looked back in disobedience and became a pillar of salt.
You and I, we ALL have choices, one is the world, the other is GOD.
Those who choose GOD may find salvation by mercy and grace of Jesus Christ who is GOD, and Him alone, for His glory.
What will you choose……..Shalom.
Minister Karl Jung God Save Me Foundation
(IF for any reason there is still a small ‘church’, more like a ‘bible study group; or small assembly, in that biblical sense, and they receive donations just for the upkeep, then that ‘MAY’ still be fine, provided they stand on the Word of God, to the letter, you will have to judge that for yourselves, if that is so. This is what may be permitted, because God still encourages fellowship, but it is not defined biblically, for His good reasons

God’s Courage

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Mar 202016
 

I do hope there a some amongst you who have watched this movie…… if not a rare worthwhile watch.

Briefly the movie is about: In Pittsburgh, accomplished pathologist Dr. Bennet Omalu uncovers the truth about brain damage in football players who suffer repeated concussions in the course of normal play.
His deep faith in God motivates his conviction to stand for truth, which sets him against the world, its power, its manipulations and wicked men who will go to all lengths to discourage and discredit him… one man against the world.

This sure is food for thought and motivated me to write this post, as I found myself moved…….

When you become a true believer, you are on God’s side…and world will hate you for His name.

Hear ye me: When you become a follower of a religion, which is a division of beliefs according to groups of people even nations and organised to remain from generations to generations. In Christianity broadly in particular the divisions become further about denominations, also church doctrines, church creeds and families.
If, and when at any time in this ‘journey of many differing beliefs’ God saves you, something remarkable happens….. you become centred on God and his Word, the holy bible…. and then you realise that most things you have ‘heard’ and are spoken of in the world are against the word of God and suddenly find yourself in a situation of choice… very much like the disciples Jesus had chosen…. against the world, which follows and worships its father satan, also called the devil……

We need to realise in truth that satan created religions to divide mankind of the world, which he has done very successfully. Knowing Jesus had come and created His followers of the word, Satan started using first the jews, then the gentiles to go against God. Satan set what God calls ‘tares’ amongst the wheat, the lookalike followers of Jesus to cause deceit and confusion. This led to Paul writing almost 2/3rds of the new testament. Thereafter satan created his church the catholic church to direct the religious belief and in the dark ages that followed the church many millions where killed to enforce this religion. In todays days it re-emerged into the fore as the muslim religion attempts to enforce itself and many many are being killed some likely as you read this. The 2 are actually not much different in their essences, This not being sufficient, satan is (as allowed by God) establishing himself as the ruler of christianity today, coming in the likeness Jesus with all the devices in his wicked disposal, and with much success as all churches are falling one by one and the ‘abomination of desolation’ Daniel spoke of is now all around us ……. all perfectly foretold in Gods word, the bible.

What becomes very clear to me and others like me, when you become a true believer and follow Jesus and trust his word as authority, there will come many many many especially from the most unexpected direction, the christians themselves, and their words become the vilest and condemning and largely the most unbelieving of truth……….astounding but true,.

God loving words are for those few in the world as we read here in Joh 15:18  If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it has hated you.

Jos_1:9  Have I not commanded you? Be strong and brave. Do not be afraid or discouraged, for Jehovah your God is with you in all places where you go

I can surely attest to this over the many past years and God willing, then will many more harsher to come…  I stand for God and His word in truth, and the world is set against it, so be it, ….…I will embrace my suffering with joy and thanksgiving, Amen.

With much love and patience and may some hear and see. Minister Karl

Ancestral worship and ancestors beliefs

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Dec 292015
 

 

This is also known as animism or the universal religion of Africa. In fact also quite common factors within  many other religions, such as catholicism,  buddhism and many others including ancient civilisations.  Very prevalent amongst Africans, and a core with the witchcraft doctors, also called sangomas. The interesting thing is the evil similarities that are masked into the religions.

The foundation belief is to be able to communicate with the dead, whether in the same families or outside of, and is a fear based religious aspect to be able to communicate with ‘god’, many assuming it to be God, the creator and knowingly (or -unknowingly believing), it is actually a direct form of satanic worship and communication with demons from the devil.  The more I see of this religion the more I hate it. It breeds hate, suspicion and fear. There is nothing ennobling about it. The worshipers are truly slaves.

The Bible is uncompromising in its condemnation of ancestor worship and all the ceremonies that go with it. I have been surprised to see how often this false religion is condemned in the Bible. Some passages which we have typed out and duplicated for use in teaching on this subject are: Deuteronomy 20:2-6; Matthew 4:10; Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 22:8-9; Leviticus 19:31; 20:6; 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:9-15; and Isaiah 8:19-20. There are many other passages which show that the dead have nothing to do with the living.

Second, nowhere in the Bible are we told that the dead act as intermediaries between God and man. But we are told that Jesus Christ was given that role. He was born, lived a sinless life, was crucified for our sins, buried in a grave, resurrected by God, seen by a multitude of witnesses, ascended into heaven, and sits now at the right hand of the Father where He intercedes on the behalf of those who have placed their faith and trust in Him (Acts 26:23; Romans 1:2-5; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 1:3-4). There is only one Mediator between God and man, and that is God’s Son, Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 2:5-6; Hebrews 8:6, 9:15, 12:24). Only Christ can fill that role.

The Bible tells us in Exodus 20:3-6 that we are not to worship any god other than the Lord God. Furthermore, since diviners and sorcerers were thought to be able to contact the dead, they were also expressly forbidden by God (Exodus 22:18; Leviticus 19:32, 20:6, 27; Deuteronomy 18:10-11; 1 Samuel 28:3; Jeremiah 27:9-10).

Know this is the truth from GODs word, the holy bible. GOD teaches if you die unsaved you are dead forever, if you die saved by Jesus Christ then you are asleep until the resurrection on judgement day. If you or anyone ‘speaks’ to the dead (ancestors) you or anyone speaks to demons from the devil, it is pure EVIL.

 Satan has always sought to supplant God, and he uses lies about worshipping other gods and even ancestors to try to lead people away from the truth of God’s existence. Ancestor worship is wrong because it goes against God’s specific warnings about such worship, and it seeks to replace Jesus Christ as the Divine Mediator between God and mankind.

 GOD tells in simplest terms ‘You cannot serve God and the devil (manmmon)‘ 

Luk_16:13  No servant is able to serve two lords; for either he will hate the one, and he will love the other; or he will cling to one, and he will despise the other. You are unable to serve God and mammon.

It is truly do you serve the only living GOD or do you follow traditions of men,  led by satan… it is a choice of life or death ….   and trusting the lie that as African christian you can follow both is against GOD, you choose wisely NOW.

Understand carefully that ALL religions are made by man for men, for power, for control and wealth… and ruled by the devil also called satan

TITHING A deception or truth?

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Dec 272015
 

This is a very important one, to understand how far we have fallen in our deceptions….

Churches for most are wealthy and should be regarded the way Jesus regarded the moneychangers in the temple….

Tithing..but its in the bible……Yes it is. Then study what the bible says, it is specific way of offering from your work to the temple for a specific period of time for a specific purpose of God.

Does it continue in the new testament churches, a huge NO.

Who started this,?  The catholic church needed more money for funding their killing sprees ‘crusades’ and payments to kings. People were obligated to pay for their salvation to the pope (church) as being obedient and ‘faithful’. Many widows were also harassed until they signed their wills for the church. This said many kings seeking favour of the one pope who appointed himself to be god, gave many properties for the church. Many thousands heretics and unfavoured folks where tortured and ‘confessed’ and had their possessions taken away..   this continues in a civil manner even today to feed the lusts, the greed’s and the ‘work of the gospel of churches’…….

When you tithe you do give it to the pastor for he controls and uses the money. The days are long gone when churches used to be transparent and declare and show financial statements. In fact a;; churches since 105 3 c are now regarded as corporations and subject to its laws and control, (a new world order agenda) over 75 000 churches in the usa have betrayed theor members by secretly handing over members details to homeland security and there seems to be factual evidence that many received money from fema for it. One day they will know who follows the bible faithfully and you are marked…..

Moneychangers…..you are silly. AM I?    Churches and evangelists, its leaders make money and for most very much of it. I remember Jesus saying,

And again I say to you, It is easier for a camel to pass through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God

but then who is listening, pastors, priests, evangelists and those who sell cd’s, dvd’s, books, magazines, musicians, gospel singers, films, christian  entertainment businesses and more. Collection in churches for missions, for ‘the poor, plays, pagan christmas and easter  celebrations……  wherever you look money money money…..    the they go to the old testament specific for the levitic priesthood (take note here) and quote a verse or 2 and then even pray over it.  For many they follow what other churches do, some in faith and adherence to contribute for their ‘works’ and sometimes the ‘mother’ church.

Jesus Christ came, lived as man and died and rose again on the third day.

Who replaces the priesthood? JESUS CHRIST. Good so far. Lets look at the early assemblies of the disciples and here is the key to tithing.   They formed not churches, men did. They assembled and preached the ONE gospel of Jesus Christ to the assembly. For even God then spoke about an orderly assembly with elders and the conduct of women at the assemblies. God also spoke of the tares (followers) that satan placed in the assemblies to frustrate the gospel.

The key? There is not a single verse that teaches ‘tithing’ in the new testament assemblies, NOT one! A yes, Paul was a tentmaker, so he worked with his hands to support his many travels, parchments and ink. Mostly likely he received food from other believers in their homes. The other disciples where looked after similarly.

Now it get interesting. Paul wrote specifically as we read in: 1Co 16:2

  On one of the sabbaths, let each of you put by himself, storing up whatever he is prospered, that there not be collections then when I come.

What was collected ? Clothing, food and blankets for taking with to the poorer churches

There are many verses for example the 70 that Jesus sent on a mission fieldtrip, they where commanded not to take money.  

Ok, back to 21st century. The argument lies that buildings and pastors need money.

Let the elders apportion for the costs and a humble salary for the leader if it must be so.

Now to the person who tithes, what are you sowing you money into? Tithing is unbiblical. Churches should rely then on donations as ‘gifts’ from its members strictly transparent and accounted for.

Now comes the final line… is your church actually doing Gods work in teaching biblical (entirely perfectly biblical truth) or are they stumbling in the dark preaching darkness with the many other gospels that they preach….. and that is where you sow your money.

We all love the fellowship on sundays, but that’s not where it ends……we start with the so called ‘worship singing’ and the tithing and the sermon and go back home to watch football or send the kids to the friends.

Anyone poor and destitute asks me for food or clothes, I use my money to feed them or clothe them. …….

Truth about Christmas and Easter – unbiblical

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Dec 202015
 

The question really becomes What is the truth about these festive days celebrated by christians and non-Christians the world over, and does God want us to keep them? Are we warned about these religious traditions of men in scripture? Answer is absolutely, Yes. Do these days have anything to do with God? Answer is absolutely, No. Why? The answer will likely astound and shock you. Lets focus for now on Christmas….  the pagan worship day.

Foremost there exist not a single verse in the entire bible, Gods Holy word which teaches nor instructs us to keep this day holy, nor celebrate it, in fact we are warned not to keep it.

We can study and research historical facts. When the christians grew in numbers in the roman empire, they became a very large and influential part of the society at that time.   It is a fact that Constantine the ruler of the roman empire made a political decision to appease the christians and pagans people by combining their worship days around 312ad to embed his powerful position in the empire. It is also fact that originally the 25 December was a pagan holy day…which had been the day of pagan sun worship (son of baal), and how the influence of the pagan Manichaeism. Many Christians in Mesopotamia protested against this idol worship day but to no avail.

It appears that Christians did not observe this day until satans church of old, the catholic church in the 4th century AD made it a day to be officially observed by decree. Satan got to work. To embed the doctrine to worship mary in place of Jesus, the birth of Jesus became a ‘holy’ day, by the wicked decree of the ‘mass of christ’ which outwardly is the ‘celebration of his birth’ and inwardly in truth was the celebration that Jesus was crucified… pure wickedness and evil in design. This came enhanced by the ‘saint Nicolaus’, the santa claus, the elves, the mistletoe and the bearing of gifts. This has become now the largest ‘christian’ festival commercially the world over till today…

Now according to scripture Jesus Christ was born either 3 or 4 BC in the first week of October. That not being enough what about the traditional presents. King Herod, a wicked king sought to kill the baby Jesus he heard would be born and sent his 3 wisest men with customary gifts to seek the baby child and have it reported back to him. We know Gods holy spirit intervened and after the 3 men encountered the baby child went on their journey and returned not to the king. So much more proving the farce of this ‘christian worship day’.

There is a tragic  ‘cherry’ on top in its evil design, it gets people (as created by the evil catholic church) to brake one of the commandments of GOD. Consider a young christian newly married couple telling their child (ren) about Christmas. When these children reach a certain age they learn their parents have lied to them! Whilst going to profess their beliefs, their Christianity, their importance of their faith …. the children learn their parents are hypocritical liars and cause much pain and confusion on the entire christian belief; us putting aside it is a purely religious tradition and has nothing to do with the GOD Yashua of the bible.

Each time you say ‘merry Christmas’ you celebrate the killing of our beloved Lord Jesus Christ…

As a believer and professing to follow Jesus Christ, I sincerely hope anyone reconsiders these verses very carefully, in case you reject all I state above:

GOD says here in Mar_7:8  For forsaking the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men: immersings of utensils and cups, and many other such like things you do.
Col_2:8  Watch that there not be one robbing you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ.   

Now understand very carefully if the Lord wanted us to celebrate his birth it would not have been hidden from the believers!
Let us thus now know what did Jesus Christ who is GOD actually teaches us do to in such remembrance of Him, there is a verse in holy scripture which says the following from the mouth of GOD where we read in 1Co_11:24  and giving thanks, He broke and said, Take, eat; this is My body which is broken on behalf of you; this do in remembrance of Me.

This is what GOD tells us even 3 times! so we don’t get it wrong…. What are you doing with your will of worship…. follow the world or follow Jesus Christ? YOU choose wisely my beloved.

Amen and Shalom.

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Easter

The pagan traditional day was ‘the day of the sun’ as celebration of the death and return of the sun, and was suggested to become to make Christian theology more acceptable to Pagans and the date of the first sunday of the spring equinox. This became the dates set to appear to the christian people to be the day the Lord was resurrected.

Most reliable appears to be originally the celebration of Ostara the fertility goddess of those days. So what is the origin of pagan easter? About an ancient god tamuz, (a story about never-ending cycle of  life without direction and purpose) and this god died every year beginning of winter and was resurrected by the goddess ishtar in spring. Note ishtar and easter?

What will astound even more is that this worship day is nowhere to be found in scripture.

Why do you observe such things?

Ponder on this verses, which say:

Joh 4:24  God is a spirit, and the ones worshiping Him must worship in spirit and truth and Jesus says further here Mat_15:9  But in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.” Isa. 29:13
Mar_7:7  and in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.” Isa. 29:13

and finally Jesus says here in conclusion

Mat 7:22  Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many works of power?
Mat 7:23  And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; “depart from Me, those working lawlessness!” Psa. 6:8

With much love and care and hope, may the truth set you free…Amen

Predestination *** Its no puzzlement, Gods word is perfect as He is.

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Dec 012015
 
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Gods word is perfectly clear and true.

Firstly understand unless one is  saved by Jesus Christ who is God you are unable to understand scripture. That said, the world is filled with deception and lies from self ordained church leaders, tele- evangelisrts, pastors, scholars and theologians who trust their own understandings or those doctrines of other men and religious institutions.

Every word in scripture in the original tongue is from the mouth of GOD. It is perfect, it is holy and it is TRUE.

When some or many do not understand and wish to enforce their own conclusions and find as many as possible to agree with them. few actually ask questions or when something is taught from anyone… then go and test this against scripture, keeping in mind that God teaches us to ‘compare scripture with scripture’. The holy word is perfect, it is its own commentary and it is good for teaching, correction and Proof.

The disciples taught ONE gospel, the gospel of Jesus Christ, and that we should adhere to today, if you be fortunate enough to hear it anywhere.

So indeed, even I become mocked again it does not matter, what does matter how other members may become confused from certain discussions… it is when we suddenly take Gods word , then add our own conclusions such as predestination vs free will, the two are never spoken of together in the entire bible !! and rightly so as we can see. Now.

I had explained in detail that when God says, that He, Jesus Christ as creator says here in:

Rom_8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom_8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

AND we read here in

1Pe_1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, and  in

1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

There are more verses that approve above and that Jesus Christ foreordained the few elected to become saved in all of time, before creation.

NOW, KNOW GOD is above time… scripture teaches he knows the end from the beginning; that said it has nothing to do with removing ‘free will’ of man. Why doubt GOD?, does he not know every hair on your head?, did He not die for the sins of the ones He saves? Is it not clear that all men sin and scripture teaches that

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.     unless He saves us we would all surely die, that is the gospel of grace and perfect love.

The argument that predestination takes away free will is accounts perfectly describe even completely unrelated, which many accounts in the entire bible are scattered and the consequences of those choices taught.

My brethren, hope  this clears my humble and brief attempt to teach above, I will gladly expound if asked and peace be upon you.

Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace,   Amen

Why is no one preaching the Good News?

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Oct 272015
 
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Revelation 12:10 says that Satan was overcome by Salvation. So, Christians have already rejected Satan and his demons and been given eternal life through Jesus. Why then, are people here, so occupied with the preaching of the devil and his demons to the point where they’re no longer preaching the good news of Jesus’ coming to provide forgiveness of sins for all who will believe?

A brother of mine posted this above discussion on another site and it is really worth noting here. I will add my comments as I replied to it.

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